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Stumbled upon an interesting map idea on Reddit
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2015, 13:59
by Krom
This sounds similar to a UMS map I used to play in Broodwar called 'Phantom'. You start with 8 players all of whom are allies (usually on BGH) and one of them is secretly chosen to be the Phantom. The Phantom recieves unlimited resources and is tasked with killing all other players. The other players must find and destroy the Phantom. The game usually progresses with the Phantom remaining hidden and attempting to disguise any build up of troops or production facilities. The other players want to expand to gain strength to fight the phantom but limited resources bring them into conflict over expansions. I'm sure you can imagine all the fantastic mindgames that can ensue from this and it definietly adds a new twist to playing RTS games!
However, the problem with this setup is that the quality of the game revolves entirely around how good the phantom is. I've had amazing games where everyone has been so pananoid and just tear each other apart before the Phantom is finally revealed to be that sneaky guy in the corner (who was so weak you thought he could never be the phantom) and he then crushes everyones weakend forces! You could also have rubbish games where the Phantom is immediately revealed and then can't compete with 7 enemies and gets crushed himself.
Do you think something like that could work in KaM?
Re: Stumbled upon an interesting map idea on Reddit
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2015, 14:21
by dicsoupcan
the idea is really relaly good, but i do not think it can work in kam. the phantom can easily just only make schools inns and barracks and let the serfs bring gold and recruits for infinite soldiers. and if you limited the amount of resources that are infinite people could still notice it fast since the phantom will be able to build way faster then the others. but maybe some genius could make it work.
Re: Stumbled upon an interesting map idea on Reddit
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2015, 14:45
by Esthlos
I remember that game mode! It was pretty fun.
If I recall correctly, the Phantom also had a time limit, passed which he'd automatically lose if he didn't crush everybody else yet.
And he didn't have unlimited resources: rather, he got them for free over time.
I think it may work in KaM in a similar way: weapons and armors brought to the Barracks are increased by x%.
It would be very similar to the Phantom in Brood War, wouldn't it?
It wouldn't allow the Phantom to build faster nor actually give him unlimited resources, but it would still be a huge military boost...
Or maybe he could get a steady - yet slow - influx of raw resources in his starting storehouse?
After all, in Brood Wars too the phantom could just use up all his resources and reveal himself as the phantom early, trying to go for a fast win...
In my opinion, what would actually be needed is a way to enforce hostilities between the non-phantoms.
In Starcraft, this was done by having the players compete for the few resources available (the Phantom already had a time limit), but this wouldn't apply to KaM... probably the non-phantoms would just end up turtling in their own bases and simply waiting for the time limit to run out.
Mmm... maybe players could be given some sort of bonus based on how much land they control?
Re: Stumbled upon an interesting map idea on Reddit
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2015, 16:01
by Killer!!
Idk this game mode, but what I red here about it, I have a few questions
If everyone is in the same team you could just look at everyone's bases and look who builds faster or who has just alot of rescources during game?
and if everyone is in the same team how could you as Phantom kill the others? because you can't attack your allies..?
Idk if these questions are good or that I just totally don't understand this topic
Re: Stumbled upon an interesting map idea on Reddit
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2015, 16:14
by Esthlos
Idk this game mode, but what I red here about it, I have a few questions
If everyone is in the same team you could just look at everyone's bases and look who builds faster or who has just alot of rescources during game?
and if everyone is in the same team how could you as Phantom kill the others? because you can't attack your allies..?
Idk if these questions are good or that I just totally don't understand this topic
In Starcraft Brood Wars, you can change your allies mid-game (i.e., you can set a player as an ally or as an enemy as you wish), but you cannot see your allies' collected resources.
Also, part of the point of the game mode is that the Phantom should try to build up his forces in a not obvious way...
Example of a obvious way to build up an army as the Phantom:
In Starcraft, there are two resources: ore and gas.
Some units can only be built with gas.
If a player starts building them without starting to collect gas first, then it's obvious he's the Phantom.
Re: Stumbled upon an interesting map idea on Reddit
PostPosted: 12 Jan 2015, 20:32
by RandomLyrics
Hmm i remember similar game mode like "who is the murder" * 8 players all ally, 1 random is a murder trying to kill other without revealing him self. rest of player try to identity and kill the murder.
100% Pahntom in kam will not work, in kam theres more "power"s element not just reasource, but also traffic, workers number etc ( u couldn't be powerful without keeping attention). The some of the games mode mechanics should be change and even the gamestyle in 40%, so it could fitting kam.
U see this as special eco map? 2 hours match? or soemthing else?
Hmm maybe something like, King & Traitor, Eco map , 2 hours. 8 players, 1 kingdom all ally, 1 random king know from start, 1 random traitor, king can unally speicifc player ( if he thinks that player can be betreyer), when traitor reveals him self all players (without king ) can choose to support him or king, war begins. But now im thinking about making traitor more powerfull without noticing, and nice option for traitor to "buying" allies. And some nice events to make "waiting" time more attractive. And some good restrictions and improvements for posibililty of 2 v 6, or 3 v 5 etc.
Re: Stumbled upon an interesting map idea on Reddit
PostPosted: 14 Jan 2015, 14:45
by RandomLyrics