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Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 12 Feb 2013, 23:10
by Ben
I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet, but this object is missing from the Remake's built-in editor:
Was this an overlook? or was this just planned to be added later?
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 13 Feb 2013, 02:03
by Lewin
I didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out
I've fixed it, the problem was that the first object (ID=0) was not loaded into the list, although it would be rendered in-game if you added it with another editor.
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 13 Feb 2013, 15:56
by Ben
Thanks, Lewin. Currently, I try to use the Remake Editor as much as possible because of all its handy tools. Having to go back and forth between Krom's original editor and the Remake's just for these stones was irritating
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2013, 14:37
by FeyBart
Thanks, Lewin. Currently, I try to use the Remake Editor as much as possible because of all its handy tools. Having to go back and forth between Krom's original editor and the Remake's just for these stones was irritating
I've never used the external editor, but would you consider the Remake's editor better than Kroms yet?
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2013, 15:35
by Ben
Thanks, Lewin. Currently, I try to use the Remake Editor as much as possible because of all its handy tools. Having to go back and forth between Krom's original editor and the Remake's just for these stones was irritating
I've never used the external editor, but would you consider the Remake's editor better than Kroms yet?
An educated guess: I believe that Krom has put a lot of work into the Remake's editor; therefore, it would be inaccurate to discredit him by saying, "better than Krom's."
I just don't want to offend him or anything. Anyway, I definitely consider the Remake's editor better. It looks much more professional, has many new features, and loads the Remake's graphics instead of KaM's (which look much better thanks to the new color palette)
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2013, 15:45
by The Dark Lord
I disagree, the Remake's editor is incomplete and way harder to use. It may have the better looks but I prefer Krom's editor.
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2013, 15:58
by Ben
The Remake's editor has many more features which make it easier in my opinion. The extra elevation tools and ability to show the amount of resources on the map, where one can build, walk etc., is wonderful. I forgot to mention that it doesn't have the ability to mix terrain, so it has to be done individually, and the "magic water" feature is missing. Other than those two things, there really isn't anything missing (for making maps).
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2013, 18:34
by The Dark Lord
The Remake editor's UI is very confusing, I for one had to find out what certain buttons did by trial and error. Also, not sure, but is it possible to 'undo' as in Krom's map editor? That's really an essential feature, and as long as it's missing it's completely impractical for me to use it.
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2013, 19:22
by Ben
Shoot! I forgot about the undo button!
It's been a while since I've made maps.
I still elevate in the Remake, because I like to know if I've elevated beyond the building-zone.
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2013, 19:42
by Krom
Yeah, undo is much needed!
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2013, 06:41
by Lewin
The Remake editor's UI is very confusing, I for one had to find out what certain buttons did by trial and error. Also, not sure, but is it possible to 'undo' as in Krom's map editor? That's really an essential feature, and as long as it's missing it's completely impractical for me to use it.
We're working on improving the UI, adding hints and using better icons on the buttons, hopefully it will be a bit less confusing in the next release. It's far more complicated to design a UI that does the terrain and the mission together seamlessly. Feel free to give us feedback for improvement when we send out the next beta.
Undo and copy/paste might not be implemented for this next release, but they are planned. But the next release WILL have terrain brushes, map revealers (CLEAR_UP), center screen, layer visibility toggling, and even some limited AI stuff (attack/defence/other). Another handy feature is that the terrain brush data will be regenerated if it is missing, so if you edit a map that wasn't made with the latest version of Krom's editor (or one of the original maps) the terrain brushes will mostly work properly
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2013, 10:47
by sado1
Undo and copy/paste might not be implemented for this next release, but they are planned. But the next release WILL have terrain brushes, map revealers (CLEAR_UP), center screen, layer visibility toggling, and even some limited AI stuff (attack/defence/other). Another handy feature is that the terrain brush data will be regenerated if it is missing, so if you edit a map that wasn't made with the latest version of Krom's editor (or one of the original maps) the terrain brushes will mostly work properly
Great news, Remake editor should be more or less enough to make a map from scratch, then. What will be still missing? Magic water? And by the way... what is/will be the situation with using both editors to create a map? Thunder and To said Krom's editor can't be used to edit a Remake-made map, but I thought I saw in the changelogs something about fixing the comatibility between two editors.
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2013, 15:38
by Ben
Great news, Remake editor should be more or less enough to make a map from scratch, then. What will be still missing? Magic water? And by the way... what is/will be the situation with using both editors to create a map? Thunder and To said Krom's editor can't be used to edit a Remake-made map, but I thought I saw in the changelogs something about fixing the comatibility between two editors.
You are correct: The latest public-release no longer "damages" the maps so that they can't be edited by Krom's map editor.
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2013, 16:41
by FeyBart
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We're working on improving the UI, adding hints and using better icons on the buttons, hopefully it will be a bit less confusing in the next release. It's far more complicated to design a UI that does the terrain and the mission together seamlessly. Feel free to give us feedback for improvement when we send out the next beta.
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Yeah, I've seen you guys editing MapEd a lot indeed. Does it add more new features?
Re: Missing Object from Remake Editor
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2013, 23:28
by Oleg
I use Krom's editor for the terrain and Remake's editor for the objects, makes quite a good combo!