1st 2x2 championship KaMClub.ru.

[Krom]

@Kirelareus: This was not a provocation. This was an actual case of sounding the problem and letting responsible people to act. You are a super-moderator at kamclub. That kind of position expects you to be much more well mannered and solve the issues, not cause them by xenophobic speeches. If you do have solid arguments (which I haven't seen yet) against Matt or Mulb or anyone - say it clear and pursue black-listing them from the championship in an open manner and without showering hate against other foreigners. Behave like a professional moderator.

P.S. Hold you temper. That is an actual advice.

[Mulberry]

I need to humbly quote first post (emphasize added):

Additional details (you will need GoogleTranslator) and submits for participation here: http://kamclub.ru/forum/30-1025-1

Krom, ok. Sado, thanks for an explanation too. I've understood what do you mean: that players who wants to participate should leave their application on kamclub forum not here. I've been reflecting on it throught my expirience of tournament organization. We had got lots of applications wich werent correct or were sended to incorrect place. ANd what we did is that we tried to contact players and explain that they need to follow the correct aplication form. I just think that this kind of bureaucracy doesnt work in KaM because we are all very close to each other here. So if i would be an orginizer i would like to see all interested people in event wich i am working on. No offence on this issue. Sorry if it looked like in my previous posts.

KIrelareus, placing all foreigners in a one group is a xenofobic act. We are all different people. And we have relations between us wich you doesnt know. This is our personal and i am not sharing my opinion about Matt here. I know that there is a small bug in every each of us, in me as well. So i know that everyone makig mistakes and i am making them too. I better close my eyes on few of Matts or Floreks or whoever else strange trolling acts. Just for peace, but i wont let someone discriminating people in a group as you did!

Mercenary, btw you are a moderator of forum too. As i can see the discussion is going in a big stream on kamclub.ru. Why wont you express everithing what you think here?

[Mercenary]

yesterday we discussed all of this,what wilt thou that I said here yesterday,we all sorted out,I Kirelareus andreus not agree with the position of Krom. What do you want now,we left!you achieved what you wanted,what you need now

[Krom]

Mercenary, please explain in detail, what exactly you do not want to agree with? *Russian forum if you like

[Mercenary]

yesterday we discussed all of this,what wilt thou that I said here yesterday,we all sorted out,I Kirelareus andreus not agree with the position of Krom. What do you want now,we left!you achieved what you wanted,what you need now

[Mercenary]

I don't like that consider only one guilty of the conflict.only we

[Krom]

Mercenary, once again, please explain WHAT EXACTLY you do not agree with? Maybe you got me wrong, but I'm just trying to help resolve the problem.

In current state Matt did nothing bad, and you made a problem in plain sight that affected other innocent players. Matt is not guilty in anything in this situation, yet you (and few other guys, including 2 moderators) wrote hateful speeches.

If you hate Matt - say so directly to him, blacklist him from champ. You act the opposite - you write every "burg" is bad and other disrespectful quotes.

You (and others in question):
1. owe an apology to foreign players for your disrespectful words.
2. need to do a better moderating job keeping such conflicts from happening in the first place.
3. (optionally) need to gather enough evidence on Matt or others you want to blacklist.

[Mercenary]

Yes, of course,the words are insulting only we say that we hate foreigners of all,only we,with 8 people in the clan foreign,who called themselves,I'm sorry, too, should only we,because the blame is only we,we do not understand each other Krom

[Mercenary]

and about the creation of the Commission on conflicts I agree

[Krom]

Mercenary, your English is terrible, I don't understand you at all. Please write in Russian forum.

[Lord_Stronghold]

placing all foreigners in a one group is a xenofobic act

bullshit. It is true that non-russian people for russian ar foreign people (as non-polish people for polish guys). If we will say that all american people are sucks, or people of Ganduras - yes it will be a xenophobia. But if somebody said that some of foreign guys are sucks (of course not because they are foreign) it is not xenophobia.

BTW I saw the post of The Dark Lord nearby, where he said that russian players said that they are the best. I do not remember something about this. Maybe I told that "I am the best" but it is not hard to notice the irony in this words. However in last year russian players were one of the strongest players in kam. But time changes...

[Krom]

@Lord: Thats exactly what this topic is about. Please read the attached screens on page 2 and see for yourself - all foreigners were placed in one group, with an attitude, by certain members and that was tolerated by certain moderators.

[Lord_Stronghold]

2Krom >эпик фейл обеспечен при участии бургов?

I think it is not about all "burgs", just about some of them (in opinion of authors of that words - problem guys with bad behavior). And "Burgs" or "Bugurts" - it is just common slang of russian players. I remember time when it starts, and all slang words, like "narazvu", "pichinyon" etc. It is true that before remake we were 1 single community. That is why foreign players for us, and games with them were something like exotic. And it became before remake era. Maybe u saw the topic on polish forum about international games, or resultes of multiplayer games in kamclub. And that past 'exotic'' attitude for foreign players became a habbit. So there is no xenophobia or smth like this.

[Krom]

@Lord: I don't want to pinpoint and quote all the phrases, could you just read all of them? Last screen contains main offense IMHO.

[sado1]

Well, saying that "most foreigners have bad attitude" isn't the same as saying "all foreigners have bad attitude". I think Kirill meant "SOME foreigners have bad attitude" but mistakenly used the word "most". Or maybe he met mostly the rude ones and that's why he thinks most of them are bad. Remember that most of this stuff was a response to Matt's application, and it's understandable for me that Kirill might not trust/like him.