Official KaM Remake Ideas topic

[Ben]

All you need the market for is shown in my profile picture. Good day!

I can’t think of a more appropriate reply for TDL to post on a return from an absence. Here, here!

[thunder]

Actually the market can burn, I was asking about the tradings;P
Anyway it is not a bad idea. If a house is under fire then its production be slower or be stopped. I still dislike the labourers are sent to the enemy's archers to die. It could be a really good reason to feed them and keep them alive.

[The Knight]

I am playing now r9700 and I am wondering why the fisher guys still fishes two fishes instead one!?? It should be one fish.

[Ben]

I am playing now r9700 and I am wondering why the fisher guys still fishes two fishes instead one!?? It should be one fish.

I find it funny that you bring this up now, as I was just thinking about this the other day. For those that don't know the history behind this, in original TPR, the fisherman caught one fish. I don't know the reasoning behind the following decision, but it was determined by the community that fish ran out too quickly in the original maps and campaigns. Fisherman were patched in SR2 to catch 2 fish (even though one fish would disappear from the lake) and wait twice as long before going to fish again. This was kind of a hacky method, but it worked to serve the community's goal.

In the Remake, we can control the balance of fishing much more elegantly. We could revert back to him catching one fish and instead change the mechanics of fish depletion.

But why? Fisherman have been catching two fish for years now. Going back to one would be another complication for players to consider that doesn't add any value to the game. And no, I no longer believe that just because something was in the original means that it is something to be desired.

[The Knight]

I find it funny that you bring this up now, as I was just thinking about this the other day. For those that don't know the history behind this, in original TPR, the fisherman caught one fish. I don't know the reasoning behind the following decision, but it was determined by the community that fish ran out too quickly in the original maps and campaigns. Fisherman were patched in SR2 to catch 2 fish (even though one fish would disappear from the lake) and wait twice as long before going to fish again. This was kind of a hacky method, but it worked to serve the community's goal.

It have a very simpel reason. In old TPR and the latest Remake release the fisher can't cancel his Job. So he would fish 30-40 fishes and after that the lake is empty. In this time the fisher guy eats..... and and and eat and eat. So he would eat "his own fishes" in the playtime of the mission. Pointeless. We have changed it hundred years ago (SR2) and improve his "right to exist".
But in r9700 you have added a posibility to cancel a citizen. So the fisher boy can again fish (in normal time) one fish, what's like in reality. I will call it an obsolete balancing change.




BTW
I would spend you 1 Million dollars for this function. Thank's good for it!!

[Ben]

I see absolutely no connection with being able to cancel a citizen and the amount of wares produced per job by a fisherman. This argument makes no sense to me

EDIT:
If you are saying that fisherman are too OP by cancel citizen job, then I suppose I understand where you are coming from. However, this simply can't be possible. By the time a fisherman has eaten more food than he has produced, the game would either be over or the food situation be handled. Even if you play for more than three hours, the cost of feeding a single fisherman is miniscule in comparison to the benefit of fast food early on from fish.

[The Knight]

I only have given you the reason why we have changed it in SR2. So, if the cancel-job function have already exists in TPR, we wouldn't change the amount of fished fish.
So in my holy opinion you can "reset" it back to old TPR version for new Remake releases.

-peace

[Krom]

KaM Remake food production is stable for many years now (~6?). I see no real reason to revamp it again (and rebalance fish counts in existing maps)

[Killer!!]

I think they should add different types of fish instead. Different waters contain different fish species!

[Mantades]

Hi there. I'm new to this forum, but played the game for some time now. I wanted to share some ideas that would make the game a lot better and I was very disappointed they weren't already implemented (I consider most of them as bugs).
Before I start I must explain my use of names. I play game in my native language, so I don't know all names as they are translated in the english version. I just hope you will get what I want to say

1. Stonemason control. Its just so frustrating I am forced to wait for hours (or micromanage placing his hut, so he goes where i want) to clear a specific rock on the ground. It would be so awesome to make him go to a chosen stone "column", so he clears that first, and then go to another place.

2. Turning obsolete citizens into someone else. There should be some re-educational option for obsolete citizens. At the very least we should be able to change them to serfs.

3. (already on the "to do" list) Taking resources from obsolete buildings so they don't get wasted (ex. coal from the smith if there is no more iron on the map).

4. A sound warning when there are enemy troops approaching (good for campaign missions). It would go off when enemy troops would come into sight (or the ones already scouted would start an attack). With surprise attacks, as they are now, its impossible to play the game (campaign) without many reloads. The margin for error is just too small. That is a problem for new players or old ones (like me), that return to the game after many years. Veterans that memorized the scripts can turn it off.

5. Set a max cap for a certain resource in a storehouse. Good for splitting resources between different storehouses.

6. Change priority for serfs regarding certain materials. Mostly stone and wood (change priority between construction sites and roads/vineyards)

7. There should be a new demolish system:
- roads, wheat fields and vineyards should be able to be deconstructed
- same with buildings but with some loss of material
- destroyed buildings (by soldiers) should be able to be cleaned up (either with some resource recovery or none)

8. Coal mines. This was a really big "WTF?" back when I first saw that miners only clear (completely) squares next to the mine. Why would someone come up with an idea like that? Making the player "demolish and build" mine over and over again, to get all of the coal from a certain place? This is just stupid and tedious. I'd agree that mines shouldn't have to big radius, but still... it should be more then 1sq on every side (personally I'd give it a 3 sq radius).

9. (taken from the list of declined ideas) I strongly vote for implementing ability to withdraw soldiers from the battle (at least in singleplayer and/or coop missions). Having whole group of cavalry run toward an army of pikeman, or worse - halberdiers, just because one horseman accidentally got into a fight, for me is a complete misunderstanding.

10. Add a 10x (and maybe a 5x or even 50x) increment to weapon and armor manufacturers.

11. Add visible radius to a woodcutter hut (maybe stonemason and some others too). Both, for when you are putting it and later, when you click on the hut, there should be a circle around the hut to show how far the woodcutter can plant and cut the trees. Its important for planning later buildings and/or cutting down specific trees.

12. Not very important but it would be nice to put a road sign to build a road later. Good for reserving ground for roads to be built later and to better plan a city.

13. Just an aesthetic feature but maybe... female serfs and craftsman? (randomly coming out of school when training is done)

14. Last but not least . Wheelbarrows and/or carts. Long distance mine, woodcutter, stonemason or whatever? Go with a cart or something! If a serf is planning to go a certain distance to a production building (calculated from the nearest storehouse) he should go with a cart or a wheelbarrow and take everything that is waiting to be picked up. This would be probably hard to implement as it would affect the whole AI steering the serfs (who goes where).

That's it for now. If I remember something else I'll write it later

[cmowla]

8. Coal mines. This was a really big "WTF?" back when I first saw that miners only clear (completely) squares next to the mine. Why would someone come up with an idea like that? Making the player "demolish and build" mine over and over again, to get all of the coal from a certain place? This is just stupid and tedious. I'd agree that mines shouldn't have to big radius, but still... it should be more then 1sq on every side (personally I'd give it a 3 sq radius

You need to observe before you criticize.

I like how you think and the ideas you came up with, despite that others have come up with similar suggestions.

Welcome to the forum as well.

[Mantades]

You need to observe before you criticize.

I don't understand how's that link relevant? I didn't say anything about coal being taken from under road or buildings. It was obvious for me from the start, because you can literally see coal under roads (especially when road turns) and later you see it disappear when the mine gets exhausted. No big deal here.

I didn't notice however that there is a higher mine working radius to the right side, but still... that doesn't solve my problem and suggestion to it. What we need is mines that don't need to get clumped so tightly or being destroyed and rebuild so often, just to get that 2-3 sq of coal which happens to be just 2 sq away instead of 1. Stupid and tedious.

despite that others have come up with similar suggestions.

I know some ideas might have been suggested before but most of them I didn't see on the "to do list" and others I just wanted to report to emphasize them.

Welcome to the forum as well.

Thank you

[Esthlos]

2. Turning obsolete citizens into someone else. There should be some re-educational option for obsolete citizens. At the very least we should be able to change them to serfs.

3. (already on the "to do" list) Taking resources from obsolete buildings so they don't get wasted (ex. coal from the smith if there is no more iron on the map).

Afaik both are already in the latest "discord" version of KaM Remake.

10. Add a 10x (and maybe a 5x or even 50x) increment to weapon and armor manufacturers.

There already is, and has been for a long time.
10x: right mouse click
100x: [ SHIFT ] + left mouse click

12. Not very important but it would be nice to put a road sign to build a road later. Good for reserving ground for roads to be built later and to better plan a city.

Is it really necessary though?
You could simply use the farm tile and "reserve" the crossroads... later on, you can simply build the road on top of that farm tile.

13. Just an aesthetic feature but maybe... female serfs and craftsman? (randomly coming out of school when training is done)

14. Last but not least . Wheelbarrows and/or carts. Long distance mine, woodcutter, stonemason or whatever? Go with a cart or something! If a serf is planning to go a certain distance to a production building (calculated from the nearest storehouse) he should go with a cart or a wheelbarrow and take everything that is waiting to be picked up. This would be probably hard to implement as it would affect the whole AI steering the serfs (who goes where).

No sprites for them

[Mantades]

2. Turning obsolete citizens into someone else. There should be some re-educational option for obsolete citizens. At the very least we should be able to change them to serfs.

3. (already on the "to do" list) Taking resources from obsolete buildings so they don't get wasted (ex. coal from the smith if there is no more iron on the map).

Afaik both are already in the latest "discord" version of KaM Remake.

How can I get those?

10. Add a 10x (and maybe a 5x or even 50x) increment to weapon and armor manufacturers.

There already is, and has been for a long time.
10x: right mouse click
100x: [ SHIFT ] + left mouse click

Nice. Thanks for the info. Would be great if they added some tool tips to the game.

12. Not very important but it would be nice to put a road sign to build a road later. Good for reserving ground for roads to be built later and to better plan a city.

Is it really necessary though?
You could simply use the farm tile and "reserve" the crossroads... later on, you can simply build the road on top of that farm tile.

That's just a workaround, which is not even a good solution. You can see farm soil under roads, just like you can see demolished buildings debris under new ones. I find it quite necessary to help plan the city before it is done. This lack of feature wouldn't be so bad, if we could deconstruct stuff and regain some materials from it.

13. Just an aesthetic feature but maybe... female serfs and craftsman? (randomly coming out of school when training is done)

14. Last but not least . Wheelbarrows and/or carts. Long distance mine, woodcutter, stonemason or whatever? Go with a cart or something! If a serf is planning to go a certain distance to a production building (calculated from the nearest storehouse) he should go with a cart or a wheelbarrow and take everything that is waiting to be picked up. This would be probably hard to implement as it would affect the whole AI steering the serfs (who goes where).

No sprites for them

Too bad.

[Bunty]

One little change sort food items for in the inn
1.sausages
2.loavas
3.wine
4.fish
One reasone for this if two citizen will enter inn first one will eat sausage and second one will pick loavas this will work like old sort but if they feed two items first one will use wine and second one fish.